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Hempstead Town Notebook: Potential Aqua Takeover, Distraction Burglaries

A weekly look-in at news from around the Town of Hempstead.

 

Town Commits Money to Research Aqua Takeover

After reviving an inactive Water Authority of Southeastern Nassau County, Hempstead Town Supervisor Kate Murray and Oyster Bay Supervisor John Venditto have committed $75,000 to finance research and other costs associated with a feasibility study on the takeover of a private water company, Aqua New York, Inc.

The overriding determinant in this takeover study is whether water rate cost savings can be realized under a public takeover of this private water company, according to officials for both towns and water authority officials.

Hempstead Town has committed $50,000 to the Water Authority; Oyster Bay Town provided $25,000. This money is in addition to $10,000 from Hempstead and $5,000 from Oyster Bay granted to the Water Authority in late 2010 to help the group begin preliminary studies.

The five-member board of the Water Authority of Southeastern Nassau County, appointed by Hempstead and Oyster Bay Towns, has been tasked with studying the feasibility of a public acquisition of Aqua. The key to the valuation of Aqua’s assets and the assessment of acquisition costs is the determination of whether water customers will see real savings with the Water Authority providing service to those customers currently served by Aqua.

Under the New York Public Authority Law, Hempstead and Oyster Bay Town Boards were authorized to appoint five members to the Water Authority of Southeastern Nassau County (three members appointed by Hempstead and two by Oyster Bay). The Authority, a public benefit corporation, is an independent governmental entity that is not a component unit of either town. Further, the Authority is empowered to commence a takeover of the private water company that serves residents of Southeastern Nassau County. 

The Water Authority looked at the feasibility of a public takeover in 1997, but the board ultimately voted against it. However, with Aqua water bills increasing by 12 percent over a three-year period, Murray and Venditto decided to reactivate the Water Authority and take a fresh look at the matter. Since that time, the Water Authority has held several community meetings to listen to residents' concerns, reviewed data and the findings of the 1997 board, set up a website and sought legal counsel.

Residents seeking more information on the Water Authority’s progress can visit the group's website.

Town Warns Against Distraction Burglaries

There have been several incidents recently where burglars have preyed on vulnerable senior citizens to gain access to their homes, and that's one reason why Hempstead Town Supervisor Kate Murray, Councilman Gary Hudes and the Department of Public Safety hosted a burglary prevention seminar at the East Meadow Senior Center on Jan. 6.

There have been nine “distraction burglaries” and attempted robberies in our area since Dec. 9, 2011, whereby criminals used various methods of deception to distract homeowners to gain access to valuables inside.   

The spate of “distraction burglaries” and robbery attempts are a disturbing trend with senior citizens as the main targets. The following are some tips for senior citizens to consider in an effort to avoid becoming victims:

  • Install and use a peephole
  • Never open the door to strangers and never let them know you’re alone.
  • Ask for identification. If someone rings your doorbell claiming to provide a service and/or represent a company, organization or group, ask them to present identification. Get their names.
  • Beware of phone scams: Don’t give personal or financial information over the phone. Hang up on nuisance callers and report them.
  • Protect yourself from common types of consumer crimes, including medical and insurance fraud, sweepstakes scams, business schemes and unlicensed home repairs.
  • If someone breaks into your home, do not confront the burglar. Lock the room you’re in and if you can get to a phone, quietly call law enforcement officials. 
Related Topics: Aqua New York, Town of Hempstead, Town of Hempstead Notebook, Water Authority of Southeastern Nassau County, and distraction burglary

Steven Santoro

7:14 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

I wonder if the Aqua Inc. water company is actually for sale, or did they violate some type of health regulation. Kind of disturbing that the government can come in and just "takeover" a private buisiness.

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Lala

7:57 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

No need to "violate" a health regulation in order to be subject to takeover. Do you get your electricity from LIPA (aka Long Island Power Authority)? Do you remember when it was LILCO? Well, that was a private company taken over by a public authority, and it is done in the *interest* of the public, when the private company is viewed as too costly for the consumer or poorly run, etc. This is strictly for businesses such as water suppliers, gas suppliers and electric suppliers. They are beholden to the PSC (Public Service Commission) which regulates their rates.

The theory is that people are essentially "trapped" and can not get these essential services from anyone else, thus there are laws/agencies in place to protect us from getting railroaded. These are monopolies that have no competition in their service area, so if the government did NOT step in, we'd be at their mercy.

My concern is for the communities who rely on Aqua to support their tax base. I don't believe Authorities pay taxes on their property/facilities, so the tax bill for communities that have these facilities will have to be redistributed to the homeowners and businesses there. That could be a deal breaker.

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Claudia Borecky

9:37 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

American Water (serving southwestern Nassau) is purchasing Aqua New York (serving southeastern Nassau and 4 other counties) for $71 million.The Public Service Commission is negotiating the deal in Albany now. The sale is expected to be finalized in February.
The water authority was reconstituted to study the feasibility of a public acquisition of Aqua Water's Long Island operations. It would "purchase" Aqua at its market value. It is not fair that the Towns provide our neighbors with affordable water, while we are forced to pay a monopoly water bills of $150 in a month.
In December, our civic assoc. wrote a letter to the authority asking that it get funding from the Towns for the study, hire an attorney and seek bids for a firm to do the analysis, all by its Jan. meeting. I am ecstatic that they did all 3 last week. I am grateful that the Towns are funding the study. But throwing a wrench in the deal, a court recently ruled that American and Aqua do not have to let us view their valuations for determining the market value of Aqua. This info would have saved us thousands of dollars.
The Towns reconstituted the authority 2 years ago. Had the water authority acted earlier, we would be up there in Albany negotiating a deal - not American Water. I'm just hoping this sale will not make our acquisition more complicated and costly. Please go to the PSC website and comment on the sale: http://documents.dps.ny.gov/public/Comments/PublicComments.aspx?MatterCaseNo=11-W-0472.

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Claudia Borecky

12:26 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

With respect to Lala's concerns about water authorities having to make up the difference to school districts - Aqua pays taxes to 33 school districts, 26 of which don't even have Aqua Water. Also, Aqua passes 100% of its tax burden onto its customers so we are already paying taxes to school districts that have public water in our water bill.
Aqua pays $64,000 to North Merrick. That means that we would have to pay an additional $30 a year to make up for that loss. That $30 is tax deductible whereas our water bills are not. I don't know a single resident who wouldn't mind paying $30 extra in their school bill if it means that they don't have to pay $150 monthly water bills in the summer months. Ironically, Aqua is paying $300,000 to the East Meadow School District that has public water, whose residents are paying less than $15 in the summer months. Is that fair?

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Marc

9:35 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Steve...check the White House on that one...

Joanna Gazzola

8:47 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Burglars have not "prayed" on vulnerable senior citizens, they have "preyed" on vulnerable senior citizens.

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linda imerti

9:32 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

We need to do somet thing about Aqua soon, nobody can believe the my water bill for two months and working all the time what my cost is. They have been talking about this for more then two years and action needs to be taken qyickly. They are moving way to slow

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Lloyd

11:04 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

I cant imagine a water bill of that sizr. OUTRAGEOUS!
I own a split level house in Massapequa with two adults living in it.
I volunteered to pay the water bill for my Ex who still lives there. I'm a real sport. The South Farmingdale Water Co. bill averages $11, and that's per quarter.
Maybe the Aqua customers take too many showers or leave their lawn sprinklers on during a rainstorm.
So with an annual outlay of under $50 for good clean water, I'll thank my Town Spervisor, John Venditto. Maybe he has something to do with that.

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Lala

3:47 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Anyone who gets their water from a Water District (like Massapequa Water District or So. Farmingdale Water District or the East Meadow Water Districts, for example) has to look at their *tax* bill, also, as that is where you pay your Water District taxes. So you actually pay more than you realize. But not as much as someone who gets it from a private company, due to the profit margin, of course.

Lorraine DeVita

11:31 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

If i ever saw a water bill under $40 PER MONTH i would be thrilled !
HOWEVER, YOU dont have SEAFORD WATER, With rust and other "stuff" being dispersed, lower pressure at times and the asbolute certainty that there is definitely SOMTHING in the water that effects rational and logical thought all of which we pay dearly for!
We have Special EXPENSIVE water...Arent YOU jealous?

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Joanne m

11:33 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Aqua has been ripping us off for too long now...they need to GOOOOO!

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New User

11:41 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

As long as they leave West Hempstead Hempstead Gardens water company alone! We have an efficiently run little water company that keeps our rates low and our water quality good. Our only problem is an overproduction of iron that causes brown flecks to appear in our boiled water. We put an inexpensive whole house filter in an that has eliminated that problem somewhat!

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Lala

3:53 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

The reason you have "brown flecks" in your boiled water is because the iron is in solution form, once you boil the water the heat (and exposure to oxygen) brings it out of solution and concentrates it. It won't hurt you, it's just unpleasant.
Remember to change the whole house filter often! The iron you are filtering out eventually clogs the filter and attracts iron bacteria, which can end up in your water. Thus creating a problem where there was none :)

Anthony Bacchi

1:22 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Aqua Water is a STOCK MARKET COMPANY comitted to making profits from its customers. Water companies should not be in the business of making profits from water. Aqua bought this company from NY Water which had a guaranteed return of 12% . Havent heard much about Aqua's return profit rate lately. We shoud know that. When the takeover takes place these profits can be used to lower rates and improve the water systems for everybody. We all will do better without a Wall Street Stock Market Company continually asking for huge rate increases to increase their profit margins. I hope everyone votes for the takeover of Aqua. I hope everyone votes to lower their water bill.

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Eddie

2:00 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Sure, Anthony. Profits are EVIL. Let's have the government take it over, like they did with the Long Island Rail Road. Look at how great they run that now! And when the government takes it, they can screw the widows and orphans who invest in the water company like they did the investors in GM. Great idea Anthony! Thing the government should take over health care too? Wow -- LIRR-class health care!!

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Hollingsworth

4:31 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Obviously Eddie is not an Aqua customer. I know it doesn't bother Eddie that the CEO of Aqua makes $14 million because Eddie thinks he's in the same league as him. Right now, Eddie, you pay for your water usage without profits being part of your bill. We people who have Aqua water have no choice but to pay whatever Aqua wants because the PSC declares that it must be allowed to make a profit. If making profit from one of life's necessities doesn't bother you, then perhaps, Aqua should buy your water district so that you, too, can pay a $200 monthly water bill. Then at least it would be fair, wouldn't it?

Lloyd

2:44 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Hey. Dont complain. Maybe your water bill will go down to $11/quarter like mine.
But with my property taxes ridiculously high...maybe the highest rate on LI, it could be that I am subsidizing South Farmingdale Water Co through my property taxes, so I'm getting bilked just like you guys.

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Lala

3:53 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Eddie:

The LIRR is actually the largest commuter railroad in North America. They do pretty well, actually. Having commuted for years I find that they have gotten cleaner and more efficient than they used to be.

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Chris Wendt

7:00 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

There are a couple of points which Claudia Borecky is on very shaky ground.

One is the huge leap of faith that, if the Authority takes over AQUA, then our water bills will decrease in any meaningful way, meaning, we would pay less for water than the amount our homeowner school taxes will increase to make up for the school taxes AQUA presently pays.

Another error is her false presumption that school taxes paid by AQUA have anything to do the providing water service, instead of the actual fact that AQUA owns ratable property in those school districts.

If Ms. Borecky is going to cut-and-paste her posts across several Patch articles, then why not also include the discussion about, or at least make mention of PILOTs (Payments in lieu of taxes) as we follow this story?

The final slice of baloney is the notion that the Authority possesses a box of silver bullets for use after the takeover: one to improve water quality, one to improve water pressure, and the rest to magically lower the cost of operating, maintaining, repairing, and replacing over time our ancient water system.

I rest my case on the fact that this takeover has been studied twice in the past, both times with findings that the takeover would not accomplish the intended goal of reducing water bills (while offsetting the property taxes shifted from AQUA to homeowner). The basic equation has not changed, only the system has aged more.

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Claudia Borecky

9:58 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

As far as school taxes is concerned, I reiterate that it will cost the average homeowner $30 more a year to make up the $64,000 that Aqua pays to North Merrick. I never said that the school taxes Aqua pays has anything to do with the water - it does have to do with property it owns, but the fact is that New York Water NEVER paid school taxes to districts it didn't serve. Period. The attorney will decide if we will need to pay PILOTS or not. However, you are wrong to say that studies prove that we won't save money by acquiring Aqua. In 2007, a comprehensive study was done and it did find that even with having to pay PILOTs, we will save a small amont of money in the beginning and a significant amount of money after a few years. Those are the facts. To say today that we are in the same boat that we were 20 years ago is just not true. For one thing, it wasn't until 2010 that our water company was even allowed to pass 100% of its tax bill onto the customers. Our water rates went up 12% in the past 2 years so the new study should show that we'll find significant savings from the onset. So Mr. Wendt, the basic equation has changed. You are comparing apples to oranges. The fact is that public water and private water systems cost approx. the same amount to operate ($12-$16 million). However, in 2012 we will pay to Aqua $43 million so they can continue to provide their stockholders with record profits. There is no silver bullet, but a public authority will save us money.

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Bojames

6:34 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012

We all pay more school and general taxes to cover the taxes exempted under NYS Real property Law 460..clergy exemption which across the state is $1,500 except in N.C. where the exemption is often many times higher due to the application of the .25% equalization rate . In UFSD #14, 32 owners pay no school taxes on high value homes . Some exemptions are as high as $14, 963!!!! And No elected official has done anything about it.
clergyexemption@gmail.com

Lloyd

3:09 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

And here I first thought that the Town was taking over the Aqua Condo on Shore Rd.
Gotta read past these misleading headlines.

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Chris Wendt

8:22 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

Why don't we let the study play out and see if there really is any justification for a public takeover. Then we can also learn the plans, or lack of plans to require PILOTs to the school districts.

Ultimately, if there is a takeover, but no reduction in water rates but only an increase in homeowner school taxes, then that will be on Claudia Borecky to explain away.

Of course the example of North Merrick and the supposed $30 tax increase is of no consequence to Seaford or Wantagh. And everyone who lives in North Merrick also lives in the Bellmore-Merrick Central High School District, and those school taxes will also be going up.

I believe the school tax revenue loss exposure is greater still in Wantagh than in North Merrick, but noticeably absent from any of the comparisons put forth in this discussion. That, and the "how" the government can run the water works more efficiently than Aqua, also being blatantly ignored all the while the County is desperately trying to privatize the sewage treatment plants.

Remarkable that Patch does not find out and report the school tax revenue loss exposure to all the various school districts served by Aqua.

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Claudia Borecky

1:46 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Aqua paid $75,488 to the Seaford School District and $131,816 to the Wantagh School District. Chris, divide that by the number of households and you will get the average amount that those residents will have to make up in their school taxes. I don't think you'll find much of a difference than that I've found for North Merrick. Since there are more households in each of those hamlets, you will probably pay less. And for some reason in which I never pointed out, Aqua doesn't pay taxes to the Bellmore-Merrick CHSD. I also dare you to find one instance where I said that the "government" can run the water more efficiently than Aqua. I never said that and never would have said that because I don't know that to be true. The new water authority is an unknown, but one of the directors is the Town of Hempstead Commission or Water, who runs water districts of almost the same size as Aqua's Long Island operations so we could look at their track record. As far as privatizing the sewage treatment plants, we are forming a county-wide coalition to address that issue. If you'd like to join us, please let me know. We shouldn't have to worry about whether we can afford to flush the toilet?

Lloyd

10:37 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

Maybe it would be to your advantage for South Farmingdale Water Co to buy out Aqua, then you can enjoy $11/quarter water bills AND get tax revenue from the private company too.

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Lloyd

11:54 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

I just checked out the SFWC. They've been supplying good clean water for 80 years on Langdon Rd. in Farmingdale. The district is 5.4 square miles covering parts of Farmingdale, Bethpage, and N. Massapequa.
I dont know how they can provide metered water for $11 for 3 months, while Aqua customets claim to be paying around $100 a month. What gives here?

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Chris Wendt

6:55 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Exaggerated claims about how high water bills are?

Filling a 10,000-gallon swimming pool, getting a bill for $100 for having done that, and then claiming you are paying $100...a month. Like that.

Lorraine DeVita

7:30 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

WOW people actually use a hose to fill up their pools, I thought most pools around here were filled in the dead of nite, with people huddle around the hydrant @ 3am and dont look at me i dont have a pool!
however that being said when soeone does fill their pool with metered water the bill strikes fear in the hearts of many ..and it isnt a $100 bill by any means...

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Lala

8:42 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

...sigh. People are completely ignoring the fact that all Water Districts not only charge you via a traditional bill for your usage, but ALSO assess you on your TAX BILL. Look at your TAX BILLS, folks. A Water District is like a Fire District or a Sanitation District. So, the $11/month does NOT INCLUDE the fees charged on your TAX BILL. Please educate yourselves.

Aqua is NOT a Water District so it bills you ONLY via a direct bill, NOT on your tax bill.

FYI.

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Claudia Borecky

1:50 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

The water authority would not be a water district. There would be nothing at all on your tax bill. You would still get a direct bill as you do now. BTW, when calculating the difference between public and private water, of course I took into consideration the water district tax. If I had not, the difference would be more than 10x greater for private water.

Lloyd

10:01 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Im not sure if Im getting a great deal or not. I did check my last water bill and saw that the house used 111 gallons per day, at a cost of 10.8 cents per day. Multiply that by 90 days in the billing cycle, plus some added fees and you get a bill of $11 for 3 months of water useage.
Haven't checked my Town tax bill yet.

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Lloyd

10:28 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Ok guys I checked out my Town bill and found that I was charged $143 for 6 months for the So Farm Water Dist. Still not as bad as Aqua, and my house is assessed at an outageously high rate.
Thanks for the help on this.

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icarumba

10:40 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

lloyd-
unless you have a gold coast mansion,horse farm in old brookville, or 20 people in your house each taking 3 showers a day and 10 loads of laundry, how on earth can you use 111 gallons in one 24 hr day? guess you have the old hi-flow showerheads and those old water gobbling toilets.

my usage is less than half that.

not to defend any of the other water companies, but 10.8 cents per DAY seems low. LIPA charges by the HOUR.

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Lloyd

12:37 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Only two working adults in that house. And tbe water use is on a meter. No pool. No lawn sprinklers. No car washing. And both adults drink bottled water, and have only two bathrooms. But with a water useage bill of $11 for 3 months, should I complain?
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icarumba

4:33 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

lloyd-
its not your $11 every 90 days bill i was questioning its your GPD- gallions per day.
are you sure that the water meter isn't on double overdrive? ( inaccurate)

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Generals Fan

6:06 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@ Chris Wendt...exaggerated claims about how high water bills are? Have you even spoken to anyone in Wantagh about how high our water bills are since Aqua's takeover? As a 20 year resident of Wantagh, I can tell you that our water bills went from $30.00 - $40.00 every 2 months with NY Water to $200.00 - $300.00 per month since Aqua's takeover, with no reasonable explanation as to why. We are conservative with our water use, we do not have a sprinkler system, we are not filling a pool with our hose, there are 3 of us...yes we shower daily, no we don't take 30 minute showers. Aqua has made improvements, yes, each one's cost was passed on to us, the ratepayer. As a monopoly they have put no money into their own company but rely on us, the ratepayers to bear the cost. As concerned citizens we attend all of the meetings concerning this issue (Water Authority) we have never seen you at any of these meetings, but Claudia Borecky has been there from the start, fighting for us. Thank you Claudia, keep up the good fight!

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Chris Wendt

9:41 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

That is way different (much higher) than our experience, and we have a swimming pool. But that's what I meant when I answered the previous question.

But the more important question for you to determine is, how on earth, by what sleight of hand do you expect a government entity to lower your water bill? You cannot honestly believe that the government-run water works is going to put "their own money into" making any improvements, because, all the money they will ever have is YOUR money, meaning yours and mine.

I am honestly glad you are attending these meetings, as I did 20 years ago.

But this should not be a fight, not even a good fight. It needs to be a rational study with credible conclusions, either to break from past precedent and have a public takeover, or, to follow suit with the past two studies which led to the conclusion, twice, that a takeover was not feasible.

The equation for determining the conclusion has not changed one bit, the input arguments and the mathematical operations are exactly the same. The values of the variable arguments have changed, of course.

If you guys are "attacking" this issue as a foregone conclusion or as some big fight for truth, justice, and the American way, then for your sake I hope the outcome is what you expect.

As for me, if a takeover does occur and my taxes go up, then my water bill had better come down appreciably. I personally have zero faith in that happening, however.

Lloyd

9:09 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Icarumba...
I rechecked my water bill and it states that 10,000 gal. were metered measured for the last 90 day period. They average it out to 111.1 gal/day, and by around .11/day.
Multiply .11 x 90 days equals $10.00 + $1.30 "other charges". equals $11.00+.
I cant imagine these two 55+ people using 111 gal/day, but thats what the outside meter supposedly reads. I could check it out, check around for leaks, or ask how often and for how long the two people shower. Maybe even get them to dhower together??

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Chris Wendt

9:47 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Re: " As far as privatizing the sewage treatment plants, we are forming a county-wide coalition to address that issue. If you'd like to join us, please let me know."

Depends upon the coalition of whom, and what is meant by "to address that issue". Please tell me more at chriswendt117@gmail.com and consider me initially interested and at least intellectually curious. Thanks.

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icarumba

9:48 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

lloyd,
it still doesn't seem right.
is your water meter analog (dial) like the very first ones nyc installed or is it digital?
is there any chances that any of your neighbors water lines taps your main from the street and or crossed into yours?

i had a relative whose con ed bills were ridiculous- children,no lawn,no pool,no car they finally found out that,being in a four family- there were 2 meters for the whole property. turns out that those in units 2&4 were paying for units 1&3. so the whole place had to be rewired and a meter was installed for each individual unit.
i would contact both the water company and the appropriate water district.its not the $$ its the usage.
i just cannot see a household like yours using that much water in a year, let alone every 90 days.

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Lloyd

7:41 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Ok. I'll check into it. I'll ask the water company to re check the meter.
111 gallons per day does seem a lot, but how much would you say would be more reasonable?
Thanks for your advice. Maybe there is a problem there.

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Lloyd

9:31 am on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Icarumba....I just got off the phone with the So. Farm. Water Co. They were extremely helpful.
They told me that 111 gal/day is considered very low useage. The average customer useage is closer to 200 gal/day, with some customers using up to 1000 gal/day.
They DO read the meter every 3 months and nobody is stealing my water, nor is it leaking out somewhere under my house.
My lawn is usually very pale green or brown, and the two cars parked there are covered with dew and soot, while my high water billed neighbors have lush, bright green lawns and sparkling clean vehicles.
Which is your preference?

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Eric Jurist

6:25 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

All other things being equal, $1 added to my property tax bill is better than $1 paid to Aqua due to the tax deduction generated.

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SSteacher

10:32 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Anyone under AQUA now knows that the water bill increased greatly since they were in power. Chris is very right wing, based on previous posts, so his thought process is that government cannot possibly bring down your bill. AQUA is a publicly traded company that will cost more money to tax payers. Watch what happens to the LI buses under private ownership. They will increase rates and decrease services. My brother lives in East Meadow and pays half of what I pay for water under AQUA.

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Chris Wendt

6:38 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012

I appreciate dealing with concepts and facts, but let's leave out personal characterizations. I am interested in your thoughts on this subject, but without you putting your words in my mouth: I did not say "that government cannot possibly bring down your bill." I did ask how others perceive that government could reduce their water bills, looking primarily for their expectations of the magnitude of those reductions based on the supposed methods of achieving them. I would like to hear your specific ideas on that point.

As far as your calling me "very right wing, based on previous posts", I invite you to look over my posts, and those of others which variously referred to me as being a "union shill", a "union buster", a "liberal", a "socialist", and now "very right wing". I also refer you to my profile page, here (http://wantagh.patch.com/users/chris-wendt-2), and would end my response to your comment by declaring myself to be a moderate Republican and partisan regarding things political. Thanks.

icarumba

11:35 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

lloyd-
i was taught that water is a precious resource not to be wasted.
that being the case,i personally can live with a lawn that isnt a lush,bright green.
i do try to keep my vehicle as clean as possible but use my local friendly car wash instead of a garden hose lol.

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icarumba

11:38 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012

ssteacher-

agree with your post. yes LIPA's rates are around 15-20% less than LILCO; but they were started with BORROWED $$$ that will eventually come due.

also agree about LI buses. with far less subsidies from the county than the MTA. i also expect service cuts and a large fare hike in 2013.

looks like water is the current hot-button issue for the south shore. whatever happened to the old adage,"
if it aint broke leave it alone".

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Lloyd

9:45 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

Icarumba....I think I got to the bottom of the water useage debate by questioning my Ex today.
Here's how it went down......"Not for nothin', Honey, but how do you and that guy use 111 gallons of water a day"?
Her response..."Its really not your business, but we like to take long showers".

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icarumba

10:29 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012

lloyd-
why on earth are you paying her water bill? that's total BS.
let her and boy toy pay the moolah.
as long as you are the sugar daddy they'll run that water morning noon and nite, like niagara falls going full blast.
as my name suggests," AY CARUMBA"
indeed. :(

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Lloyd

8:45 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

No. Its not quite like that.
I dont want to explain the whole story here for the public to read.
But my Ex and I worked out a fair deal for both of us.
The man living there (in a separate part of the house) is NOT her boyfriend or lover and he pays his way.
OK. I pay more bills than I have to, but I dont want to hurt the woman, and I have two grown children who are concerned about their Mom and their Dad too.
Its not worth quibbling over a $3.33/month water bill.
If we had Aqua Water I would make a big issue of the useage.

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